they're law-abiding. they think it's their light under our constitution to own it, and don't kid the rest of us. the people who were just on would ban all guns if they could get away with de. you look at the new york state law that governor cuomo just pushed, basically, it eliminates virtually every -- >> hang on, hang on. hang on. let me take you up on that. dianne feinstein is attacked by many republicans as being somebody who wants to ban all guns. do you know how many different types of guns she has permitted to remain in legal circulation in america under her proposal? >> this is what this year the government is willing to permit? >> but you have already agreed -- >> in new york state -- >> you have already agreed with the decision to not permit americans to have automatic firing weapons. what's the difference? >> i don't think people -- okay, so now we're arguing over whether or not very many people's lives will be saved. i'm challenging you and others -- >> no, i'm not asking you. i'm asking you ho